User talk:Pants

Let's take things in order.

I should probably explain better why I said the glowsticking records were false; I understand your disagreement. The main reason was that each of them claimed that the record was set for all of CTY, rather than just for Saratoga. This is not the case, at least not for the first two; hence, the first two were deleted, leaving the third, which, all by its lonesome, did not seem significant to the HoF in Dutchman's eyes. Hence, he moved it to Memories. (Although glowstringing with five glowsticks sounds really... heavy. I'm surprised that lanyards didn't break in the process.) Basically, though, it just isn't true that these records happened for "the first time in CTY history." There were two problems with the glowstringing entries in general: accuracy and significance. If you rewrite the entries (like I said, combining them into a single entry would be a good idea), they can be made to fit the page. I don't see why you're so wed to the idea of just leaving the page and "leaving it to [us]." Your goal, if you really care about these events that took place, should be to make them seem as awesome as possible. If they seem false to other people, you should rewrite the entry.

Also, how am I "changing my words" now? I have been saying the same thing the whole time, especially concerning the glowsticking entries. The first thing I said about them was basically what I said above, and in my last post. Don't make unsubstantiated accusations; it only highlights your lack of backing for your claims.

I'm also not sure why using the LAN HoF page as an example is bad. All the HoF pages are held to the same criteria -- something that involves student rebellion against rules, or something that has a lasting effect, to the tune of maybe threeish years or more, unless it was ridiculously significant for two years. In particular, all events not having to do with defending tradition or overturning bad rules that only were relevant to a single year or session never belong in the HoF, because they are known to only one single year of students. Obviously, some of those individuals directly involved in the event will return and remember, but the point is that it is not relevant to the site globally for more than (maybe) a single year. This is why, in particular, Prank Wars was removed. Do you agree with that change?

Also, yes, I am aware of how different all the sites are, probably more so than you. That comes with running this site for so long.

AND ALSO, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS YELLING ON THE INTERNET. There's also such a thing as Internet snarkiness, which is more what I was referring too.

You also still haven't told me /how/ it is that I run this site badly; you just keep saying it, as though you, by some natural phenomenon, are fitter to pass judgment on my site than me, and are too far above me to even have a regular discussion about it. "You people simply administer a site badly, that's basically it." Is it really this simple? You'll have to explain to me precisely why this is so "basic," because I don't understand. Also, I'm not sure what exactly you're saying about my tone of voice. Again, please -- be more specific. This is pretty much how I always type.

The Passing of the Duck is a tradition older than Passionfruit (and, in fact, one of the Ducks is responsible for Passionfruit, or at least Lancaster's -- I forget if she was at Carlisle and helped create it or if she just moved it to Lancaster). It might even be older than the Saratoga site; I'm not sure when the site was introduced. This is fairly self-explanatory; if you're trying to provoke me, you need to try harder. There have been Ducks since before you were born. Since before your parents had sex to conceive you. And this site does a plenty good job of trying to make sure people understand this. This is because there are lots of people who care to recognize things like the Duck. All I'm asking was that you do a better write-up about things like the glowstringing record, because as they stood before, they seemed less significant, and more importantly, weren't true from the perspective of other sites, since it made a claim about CTY globally.

Also, you know as well as I do that a gathering of Emperors wouldn't be all that special. You know full well that what matters to one site is totally irrelevant to other sites; this is part of why you're arguing with me, I think. I don't have any personal care for anything Saratoga does, nor do you give a damn what Lancastrians or doing. Nor should you. But I'm not trying to set a higher standard for Saratoga just because I don't know about it or don't have a personal stake in the matter. Nor am I trying to remove what isn't significant from a Lancastrian perspective. Nor, in particular, am I /removing/ anything from the site (except the two glowstringing entries that, to me, were just untrue, because of how they were written). You recently wiped the Memories page. Why? To get back at the Man? At me? At the site? Don't be immature about it. And don't take that snarky tone, what with the telling me to "grow up." You are not the fitter judge, and to be honest, your taking that role doesn't do anything for anyone. If you want to be useful, if you want to argue your point /and/ improve the site /and/ keep all the records of your site (but maybe you don't want this, considering you actually wiped it away instead of moving it?), just talk about it /with/ me, instead of /telling/ me that I'm wrong and you're right, and telling me how you know I think. Because you're not correct.

If you actually do want to talk and help improve the SAR HoF and Mems pages, you should IM me on AIM or Gchat me or some such. I'm not a fan of the condescension you're giving me, but I am pretty sure that you actually care about your page (if I weren't, I would ban you for vandalizing the Memories page). Seriously, come talk to me, and we can sort this out. --Max W. 21:19, 20 August 2010 (PDT)